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Podcast episode 162: All Around the World - The Netherlands

Podcast episode 162 is available now via this link or from Apple and Spotify.

This is the third of a series of episodes being led by the oldest friend of the podcast, Mr Paul Smith. Paul, regular listeners will know, is the Managing Director at the Strategic Land Group and a Housing Today columnist.

Paul put it to me a little while ago that debates about the planning system in England tend, for the most part, to focus solely on the planning system in England. We very seldom look to other countries for inspiration and ideas.

He wanted to remedy that and so in this series he is chatting with planning professionals and academics from a number of countries to find out what works well there, what works less well, and what can we learn.

In this episode Paul chats to Jannes Willems and Lilian van Karnenbeek about planning in the Netherlands. Jannes is an assistant professor at the University of Amsterdam and Lilian is a researcher at Utrecht University.

In a conversation recorded online back in October last year they talked about a new Dutch Environment & Planning Act; subsidiarity between the three levels of Dutch planning; active and passive land use policy, public engagement in the Dutch system, and they talked about cycling. Obviously.

They also talked about the role of land reclamation in making planning so central to Dutch culture. This reminded me of David Winner’s brilliant book, Brilliant Orange, analysis the Dutch game through the prisms of architecture and space and landscape and painting. One of Winner's hypotheses is that creative Dutch thinking about the use of land has informed Dutch thinking about space on the football pitch. I highly recommend it whether you are a football fan or not.

This episode also reminded me, and long-serving (long-suffering) Listeners might also recall, that Clive Betts said me in episode 45:

'In the Netherlands planning is seen as part of the solution. In the UK, too often, planning is seen as part of the problem'.

I made some t-shirts with that on, and I do still have a few left if anybody would like one. Drop me a line if so (samstafford@hotmail.com).







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